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Turbobusa · Dec 24, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

^yep. Disable is there to avoid faster recharges via QZ or SQ or whatever skill that makes your skills recharge faster.

Online Gamer · Dec 24, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

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Originally Posted by Cazzum

I think some of you are being a bit harsh with AoB. In FoW I find it a very effective skill, especially when you get to the skeletons. Which avatar lets you hit 150s+ on the skeles? The +40 AL is handy, especially for taking hits. Then there's the +33% run boost. 60+ seconds of Faster running ftw? Most runs take about that amount of time, and if they dont, use eternal aura.

Overall, however, I'd have to say Dwayna. MAinly because I use it for FoW solo farming.

In the FoW that is one of few spots it is sort of maybe a place where I would use [skill]Avatar of Balthazar[/skill] but Avatars such as [skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill],[skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill] And[skill]Avatar of Dwayna[/skill] are useful in most aspects opposed to only a few. Who doesn't want +20 energy and extra dealing damage or health and Immunity to conditions or even healing every time a skill is used?

Coloneh · Dec 24, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

as far as FoW goes physical resistance and zealous vow are far superior to AoB.

Sirugel Kai · Dec 24, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

i tried out melandru and i have to say.. i really dont like it and its not because of energy.. I admit its better then balthazar, but since it only lasts 62 seconds i find myself recasting it quite a bit.. Balthazar is 79 seconds wich is a lot easier to keep up and more relaxing to use

Arkantos · Dec 24, 2007, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Online Gamer

Okay so it instantly recharges all the skills but does that count for the extra minute and a half that it is disabled after the 30 second recharge time.?

Yes. That is why everyone runs eternal aura on an avatar build in PvE.

Burst Cancel · Dec 24, 2007, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

i tried out melandru and i have to say.. i really dont like it and its not because of energy.. I admit its better then balthazar, but since it only lasts 62 seconds i find myself recasting it quite a bit.. Balthazar is 79 seconds wich is a lot easier to keep up and more relaxing to use

You mean, Balthazar's takes no thought or skill to use? Who'd have thunk it.

Horseman Of War · Dec 24, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

S: Cat

(EDIT: but razors should be free.)

1. Melandru (overpowered, I daresay)
2. Dwayna (Hex resistance is teh secks)
3. Lyssa (enemy acting = good, enemy not acting = also good)
4. Grenth (charming but largely irrelevant)
5. Balthazar (go play a Warrior.)

Apparently, when it comes to Dervs, females rule.

Melandru - isnt overpowered, unless youre facing a team that relies on conditions to win. Without condition pressure, melandru is a waste of elite.
Dwayna - is underused, imo better than melandru.
Lyssa - good damage vs any builds/situations
Grenth - enchantment removal ftww??? hardly irrelevant bud... unfortunately most people chose to use this for looks alone (lol like this d/n with a staff I saw in ab the other day lol) and have no clue how good it is
Balthazar- good for AB/pve. not 'go play a warrior' by any means.

each has its use and useless. I dont like to play dervish these days, retired mine to a farming character.

~ Dan ~ · Dec 24, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

each has its use and useless.

Orly?

K you fail.

Kiragi Yagami · Dec 24, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

for their effectiveness, i say (this is for pve, so you know) Dwayna>Melandru>Lyssa>Balthazar>Grenth.

for their awesome-looking-ness, i say Melandru>Dwayna>Balthazar>Grenth>Lyssa.

Pyro maniac · Dec 24, 2007, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

Melandru - isnt overpowered, unless youre facing a team that relies on conditions to win. Without condition pressure, melandru is a waste of elite.

agree, found the immunity to deep wound, weakness and blind very useless on a melee char

Sirugel Kai · Dec 24, 2007, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

You mean, Balthazar's takes no thought or skill to use? Who'd have thunk it.

Im going to take a shot in the dark and say you didnt understand what i wrote

I meant that with balthazar you dont have to.. worry so much about losing the avatar.. its just easier to manage everything in general

i would deffinately use melandru if it was less energy and lasted longer
untill then its just too hard to manage and keep it up indefinately

then the others i just find useless in most situations

Stormlord Alex · Dec 24, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

Melandru - isnt overpowered, unless youre facing a team that relies on conditions to win. Without condition pressure, melandru is a waste of elite.

Because, you know... No-one throws Deep Wound onto a spike, nobody ever runs a cripshot, and blind doesn't exist anywhere?

Oh, and being able to spam Eviscerate isn't at all overpowered, too.

iridescentfyre · Dec 24, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

Balthazar- good for AB/pve. not 'go play a warrior' by any means.

How and where is it good for AB/PvE use? Its already been covered why its useless in PvE, due to the fact that non-elites can provide the same benefit. If you mean its good in AB because of the 33% speed boost, I recommend you take another look at your non-elite list again.

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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

Im going to take a shot in the dark and say you didnt understand what i wrote

I meant that with balthazar you dont have to.. worry so much about losing the avatar.. its just easier to manage everything in general

i would deffinately use melandru if it was less energy and lasted longer
untill then its just too hard to manage and keep it up indefinately

then the others i just find useless in most situations

Burst didn't misunderstand your post. Burst just realizes the silliness of taking an elite because its easier to use. What good is ease of use if it does nothing more than occupy your elite slot?

Sirugel Kai · Dec 24, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

In my opinion its bette then all the others for general pve except melandru

i just dont like having to watch everything on my screen to use melandru

~ Dan ~ · Dec 24, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

In my opinion its bette then all the others for general pve except melandru

That is why you are bad at Dervish. Bye.

iridescentfyre · Dec 24, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

In my opinion its bette then all the others for general pve except melandru

+40 armor is a poor excuse for a survivability buff, 33% speed boost is unnecessary at best, and holy damage is better achieved other ways. I don't know which of these you think makes Balthazar a worthy use for your elite skill.

At least with:
Lyssa, you can kill things insanely fast and spam more attack skills with the {significantly} higher energy.
Dwayna, you can remove nasty hexes in a few areas that make it worth while, and give yourself some great healing.
Melandru, enjoy condition immunity and spam Wearying Strike til your finger turns purple.

Biostem · Dec 24, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

It's probably been said to death, but why does the god of war's avatar *not* do any more damage or attack any faster?

Y'know... I'm a little bad when it comes to thinking of power combinations, but the idea of using melandru + attack skills that imposed a negative condition on you is intriguing!

ensoriki · Dec 24, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

Balthazar sucks, you can nerf grenth to being

for 5 seconds, your hits remove all enchantments.
120 second disable.

Balthazar will still suck the most.
Because Balthazar isn't even a real dervish skill.

Its A wammo's dream.

Sirugel Kai · Dec 24, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

That is why you are bad at Dervish. Bye.

I love how 50% of this forum trys to be as much of an idiot as possible.

Tab · Dec 24, 2007, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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